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Post by Lick The Pavement on Nov 7, 2005 11:37:31 GMT -5
Liz, let's not turn into a Joey, hmm?
Shirley to me seems to not care what a person should look like, because that's what all people should be like. To me he looks like a very nice guy, who doesn't give two shits if she was famous or not. I think Shirley liked that in him, NOT because of his looks, which really makes people shallow if you only like a guy for his looks.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Oct 27, 2005 5:56:12 GMT -5
I don't have the seconds on it, but my FAVORITE is:
Wicked Ways: Last part when it starts "And I tried..." and ends with "Just like I warned you".
That is classic! I like the guitars and bass line...the drums are killer too!
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Oct 13, 2005 5:34:56 GMT -5
BLM was released much to early, but radio picked it up very nicely making it to the top 30.....Run Baby Run and Sex Is Not The Enemy was released almost on top of eachother, with little to NO promotions besides the concerts they did in the UK.
UK and the USA have different "taste", UK is more commercially into the newcomers and up-beat music, whilst USA is more into Rap and Hip-hop.
Right Between The Eyes WAS doing well for a week, but nothing came of it on radio.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Oct 12, 2005 22:23:30 GMT -5
Oh, right... ^^ Maybe Garbage wanted to do all that stuff fast? How do we even know it's management that forced or coerced the rush? Of course the band had input into all this, Shirley said herself there are times when the "higher-ups" have the upper hand. Either meaning management or Label execs. In this case, from how things are run at the official website AND the single releasing went, Management played a HUGE part in their decisions. Heres how I would have run things: Ok, Why Do You Love Me was THEE best choice as an opening single, not only did that catch eyes on radio, but TV was imploring it, even execs were stunned by how well it was being perceived. Why Do You Love Me should have been promoting more and more throughout April and May and June. July, I would have made either Run Baby Run or Sex Is Not The Enemy as it's second choice. In terms of each, Run Baby Run has radio hit ALL over it, with a possible TV launch. Sex Is Not The Enemy on the other hand would have done WONDERS as promotional use on commericials and other TV performences. The video for it was low budget, yet had a good quality feel to it. I would promote either of those as much as possible as those have Summer markings on it, because no one likes a dreadfull song during the summer, everyone wants to ride in their cars, drop the tops and windows, and blast fun summer songs. Hype is always good during this time,so either of those songs would have done well commercially. By October, Bleed Like Me would have been a awesome 3rd track to add to it's single list. Not only does the summer songs fade, the music biz generally goes on subtle more dreary songs. Bleed Like Me fits that catagory perfectly and would do awesome during the fall and mid winter season. As a final or possible soundtrack single, Run Baby Run or Bad Boyfriend would be killer openers to the Spring season. Movies would die to get these songs on their tracks and both go well with most movies. Movies out in Spring are mostly love and action movies, and both songs would fit perfectly. As far as touring goes, the club gigs in the beginning was a great start. They should have done the UK festival gigs, and returned with news of them touring with a band that would span Australia, USA, and Canada, then head back to the UK for ome concerts there. As far as videos went, Sophie Muller did good with Why Do You Love Me. I think the hype with getting fans to join the video was fantastic and ultimatly lead to many newspaper articles about it. For the video Bleed Like Me, I feel somewhat that actors/actresses could have been hired to aid in the video. Just having the band do it all felt kinda empty. Though it was a semi-good video, but not good for the season. Run Baby Run has such BIG potential, story plots could EASILY fit into that video. Sophie to me seems like she wanted to focus on Shirley and no one else, thus creating a very boring and (although very nice, because we get to see Shirley a lot) vague video for such a universal single. Sex Is Not The Enemy has it's great moments, but I think a bit more could have been done to it. As far as commericially concerned, I would be sending Why Do You Love Me to all the possible radio stations that are modern/rock/alternative based (that was done with it). As far as Sex Is Not The Enemy and Run Baby Run, they both should have had the same amount of promotion on radio as Why Do You Love Me did. TV appearences should have been made before hand, as Leno and Letterman could have been marked in earlier to get them to appear maybe weeks or a matter of days after the release of the album. MTV and VH1 should have been pushed more to get the video out, most if not all companies hound these companies to play, and once they notice the wheels start turning. I would have spread out appearences on shows and made some more club gigs and advanced listening parties to up the anty. Anyways, I'm babbling, but I feel so much could have been done, and money was there as Geffen is a HUGE corporation and is under Universal...which makes it more then enough to promote the album....ESPECIALLY when it hit billboard at number 4 and the songs were doing so well on radio.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Oct 12, 2005 21:31:01 GMT -5
What I mean in promotions terms is that decisions made like single releasing and the "rush-rush let's do 4 videos in 2 months" deal. I feel management went on a binge to kinda "get rid" of them in a way...like "ok let's get this band done, because we have another band to promote" deal. And of course the contract thing, but I think if singles were set right, the concerts were more spread out, this album could have went gold by now and almost platinum.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Oct 12, 2005 21:04:11 GMT -5
Never Be Free is absolutely the way Garbage should have went with Bleed Like Me, the song hits new boundries, and also brings that sentimental old Garbage-esque lyrics. I think if the album went in that general direction, things could have went more smoothly. Although I still say Bleed Like Me was a stellar album that was POORLY misguided and promoted.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Oct 9, 2005 0:07:50 GMT -5
I will go on record and say TrollyDolly is absolutely true about everything, and she knows information WAY ahead of everyone.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Mar 19, 2006 4:52:32 GMT -5
i'd want it to be something like version 2.0 You and almost 90% of Garbage fans want that
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Oct 8, 2005 0:49:10 GMT -5
Kinky Girl Doggy Style Tricks Breaking In The Ass
I also tried...
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Oct 8, 2005 0:53:26 GMT -5
Haha, I always loved this, I saw it on TV when MuchMusic was on cable....I love when Shirley says: "Why do we have Pledge!? Oh....Edge...." (Edge being shaving creme).
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 22, 2005 0:14:25 GMT -5
And I'm sorry, but both you of cut it out....seriously you both need to chill, especially you Joey. Take your complaints elsewhere.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 22, 2005 11:28:39 GMT -5
I said no offense for a reason, but Jesus Christ, and No I haven't, but it's so immature for you to hold onto to it, for like ever. Whatever. Maybe YOU should calm down now. I don't care honestly ... you insist on going back to the same thing since January, and it's sad to me whatever, especially when htose weren't even the exact circumstances anyway .... but I will not sit and argue about it. And I don't do that either .... if i have a question for him, I'll go to him , ask him, and I may post what he said, but that's for help and that's about it. And did I say you didn't have your sources? Nope, I did not!!! I said why mention it if you can't talk about it. Anyway, no point in argueing. I like you have optimism for garbage, but I wish you wouldn't make it seem as tohugh other's opinions are so out there. thats all. the end. Hey, I am not the one bringing up arguements, you're the one calling people out in threads. I merely justify my taunts that I get from a person. I mention things to give the feeling of optimism, and instead of giving details that might change, I rather keep it simple so people get some sort of idea. Again, I don't think other people's opinions are out there, that's another foot in your mouth, and that was something out of the blue (possibly because you DON'T have something to say?). And there are FAR more things than the January incident, but I won't go there, and if you really have a problem, I suggest PMing, because you're picking fights with too many people. So I suggest you get that almighty stick out of the place where the sun don't shine. Anyways, look at the second paragraph: Again, what I have been saying for awhile, they will take a break, possible re-group in the summer time and go from there. I think this isn't an ending at all, more of a MUCH needed break and a MUCH needed break for us as well Stay positive people!
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 22, 2005 0:21:19 GMT -5
LTP, no offense, but youre in the same position as the rest of us, yet you are almost mocking us becaure we're upset over the band's end. You keep saying oh theyll be back as though we were still just talking about the tour cancellation ... and thats not the case. Shirley would not have said that unless she KNEW it was for sure, because Shirley, afterall, has been most optimistic. Everyone has their own way of reacting to this situation, yet you are mocking others, as though we are being immature because our favorite band ever, who has helped as through a lot, is over. And what is this with Shirley doing something in January? What is it you know that you cant tell us? If you cant tell us, why mention it at all, to make yourself seem higher than us? Once again, no offense, but some of your comments were a little insensitive and rude to others. Wow, you honestly have no idea what the hell your talking about. First off, when and WHERE was I mocking people? I never mentioned in ANY of my posts about mocking, and the only sarcastic remarks I made were towards one person, not you. Secondly, I have my sources, and no, I won't go on the phone and tell them to you. We forgot about that little incident haven't we? And no, Shell or Axis are not my sources for anything if thats what you figure. I have my own, and know what I'm talking about. And I should call you a hypocrite, BIG time, as you keep going "I talked to Shell about bla bla bla and he said bla bla bla" in almost every post about something new. So don't go running your mouth when the mouth is dirty. I keep things optomistic because thats who I am, I like to make other optomistic, and don't drag myself around and show how depressed or stupid I feel. If that's what you call "mockery", then you need to take a look at the person who has his foot in his mouth most of the time.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 20, 2005 23:06:28 GMT -5
The thing is, this band shouldn't be making you be this way. Understandibly they maybe helped you in life (as they did me, PLENTY of times), but I don't go around crying my eyeballs out and wish the day they make 9 albums in one month (like rappers do...).
They gave a "maybe" answer because the trend they followed for 10 years is the same, they break, they talk, they jot new ideas, they go into the studio, they play, they make an album. Hardships and all. They would be absolutely lying to themselves if they said they weren't doing this anymore, and would be lying to us as well. Because NO ONE after 10 years of friendship can break apart something THAT easily, ESPECIALLY since they ALL have one thing in common, music.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 20, 2005 22:55:44 GMT -5
Because I am sure that if they said "ok, were done and through", and come back 2 years later, wouldn't they be lieing to themselves and the dissapointed fans? This at least tells us something could happen, or something won't, they aren't all 100% sure about this.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 20, 2005 22:50:18 GMT -5
JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE! Enough with the back and forth bullshit! Either shit of get off the fucking pot! <3 LMAO!
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 20, 2005 22:48:34 GMT -5
Anywho...I think they will probably be back around eventually. They will get bored of not touring and making music. Pretty much, I mean, EACH record by far that they made they said the exact same thing. They get tired, take a few breaks, start of slowely with lyrics, and start again. Each record they made so far had hardships, and I'm sure within a 3 year period we will see another album. It's a cycle and I'm sure we will see them again in the future, I'm sure of it.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 20, 2005 22:42:54 GMT -5
I would love to hear her do something totally Kylie/NIN/Marilyn Manson-ish. She would do wonders in clubs and probably funk up radio and TV stations.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 20, 2005 22:32:40 GMT -5
Heres my true prospective of this:
Right now, the band feels like they are stretching something that is dead in the water (the album). They were shocked and surprised that they made it to number 4 on billboard, and wasn't sure how to really benifit from that. Things slowely went downhill from there, and now the band is finally reaching a point where they REALLY need to stop, take a break, and live within themselves for a good time. It's like working at a job, you LOVED it at first, and enjoyed working their daily. After working for a good amount of years, you grow weary and begin to wish you had some sort of break from it. Right now, they are glad that after this Australian tour date, they will quickly move on and begin to start anew with their lifes. Steve has a daughter and wife to attend to, Butch has a wife and family to attend to (especially after losing his mother), Duke has family members and other projects to do, and of course Shirley needs to ammend things at home, and take a break. You guys have to feel what they feel about these things, because one is quick to assume that the band has let you down in some sort of way, in which, you yourself is bringing you down.
I feel that Shirley up until January will be resting and thinking, whilst the boys do their own things, you know, they DO own Smart and have other bands to produce. Shirley by this January might do something in terms of a solo and or collab. with another artist (I can't truly give you more info, but I know some things...). Shirley will be doing something all will love, and after that, which should be around 3-4 years, Garbage will re-immerge with a new sound and a new album or b-sides. I feel soon enough things will turn over and a new beginning for each of them will surface.
Take this into context: Be happy you got 4 AMAZING albums to hold on to, the memories of concerts or hardships you made it through, by just listening to a song by them. As pandie said, CHERISH those memories, and try and cope with it, as much as you are, so are the band.
In all, no one should be crying or cutting (which i'm doubtfull you guys REALLY are doing that to yourselfs...) about this, as no one, including myself and others know what will truly happen, only they can decide what goes on, and we will cope with it as they are.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Sept 20, 2005 22:20:03 GMT -5
Now watch, another news article comes out, saying they were bluffing, and all those who cut themselves over the break-up will be healing in a 2 second time interval!
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