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Post by glindathegood on May 16, 2012 16:13:02 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say at all that they haven't progressed or brought anything new on this album. The album is not exactly like any of the previous albums. There are new things such as the shoegaze influence. Now obviously they are still doing music within a given genre, electro-rock. What do people expect them to do? Start writing country, rap, R&B or house tracks all of sudden? They are progressing and experimenting but within their chosen genre. I don't think there are really that many artists that all of sudden switch to a totally different genre of music or if they do it usually doesn't work. Most artists experiment and progress but within a certain genre. Most genres are wide enough so that there is a lot of ground to cover within them.
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Post by Subhumanoid on May 16, 2012 16:24:02 GMT -5
The music should be judged on whether it is good...not necessarily on if it is new. Good "old" music is better than "new" bad music any day. It's seems to me that the only folks not happy with this album are the critics...certainly making them "not our kind of people"!
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Post by garbagefiend on May 16, 2012 16:24:49 GMT -5
I bet Pitchfork will review it next week. I'm so ready for it. #bringit Yea I can't wait to read that hipster nonsense. They're bound to trash it, given there's no banjo, yodeling or lyrics about "crazy little milkshakes"
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Post by Hangin' With The Bichard on May 16, 2012 16:29:20 GMT -5
When I was referring to there not being much progression in their sound, I was referring more to its production than audible influences from other genres. The songs themselves are energetic and amazing enough, but the production does sound a bit...tired (with the exception of a few tracks)? This is where I think they need to update their template. Their songwriting is a good as ever.
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Post by BetweenTheEyes on May 16, 2012 17:01:45 GMT -5
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Post by darkling1219 on May 16, 2012 18:50:00 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say at all that they haven't progressed or brought anything new on this album. The album is not exactly like any of the previous albums. There are new things such as the shoegaze influence. Now obviously they are still doing music within a given genre, electro-rock. What do people expect them to do? Start writing country, rap, R&B or house tracks all of sudden? They are progressing and experimenting but within their chosen genre. I don't think there are really that many artists that all of sudden switch to a totally different genre of music or if they do it usually doesn't work. Most artists experiment and progress but within a certain genre. Most genres are wide enough so that there is a lot of ground to cover within them. I don't think anyone is saying that they need to switch genres. They admitted themselves that with this album - they just wanted to do more of the same but in a fresh way which they did. But I do think they have the potential to go further with the electo-rock sound and be more experimental with it. I love the new album and they've folded the '90s shoegaze and some '70s Pink Floyd influences into some of the songs but I think they have the potential to take what they did and take it to the next level and make people turn their heads and say, "what is THIS?" even if it is electro rock. Portishead comes to mind. "Third" doesn't sound exactly like the first two albums but you can tell it is still Portishead.
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Post by glindathegood on May 16, 2012 19:06:43 GMT -5
Portishead comes to mind. "Third" doesn't sound exactly like the first two albums but you can tell it is still Portishead. Well, maybe I don't like experimental music, then! I loved Portishead's first two albums, but I hated Third. I know the critics loved it, but I thought it was horrible. It was so atonal and unlistenable to me. When I hear the word experimental I think of something atonal, weird with no melody or pop hooks. I don't want Garbage to be experimental like that! For me, a lot of other 90's artists, like PJ Harvey and Bjork, have gone that experimental route and I can't relate to it at all. They completely abandoned what made them great in the first place. Yes, you sit there and say what is this? but not in a good way, at least for me. I don't want Garbage to get too weird, experimental or avant garde. I want them to retain their melodic appeal.
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Post by darkling1219 on May 16, 2012 19:20:37 GMT -5
Portishead comes to mind. "Third" doesn't sound exactly like the first two albums but you can tell it is still Portishead. Yes, you sit there and say what is this? but not in a good way, at least for me. Haha, that cracked me up. I can see why you wouldn't want that if it's not your cup of tea coffee.
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Post by sallykitty on May 16, 2012 20:52:30 GMT -5
Oh hell no. The day Garbage sounds anything like Ke$hit is the day I walk away. But they already have in the past! Or should I say, Kesha sounds a bit like some of their past efforts... Haha I'll have to take your word for it because I don't listen to Kesha, I refuse to willingly subject my ears to that tripe.
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Post by sallykitty on May 16, 2012 20:55:04 GMT -5
"that the band haven't added anything new to their once innovative-sounding music -" What they needed to add? Their songs already have loads of elements in them. And those songs are diverse and pretty different. And have innovative parts (the end of Control, the bridge of Blood For Poppies, the synth sounds used on Sugar, the whole song Felt etc). Take other much acclaimed artists like Leonard Cohen, The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, AC/DC, Green Day etc.. They basically sound almost the same on each album. And no one complains they "haven't added anything new"... THIS.
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Post by darkling1219 on May 17, 2012 8:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by darkling1219 on May 17, 2012 8:55:41 GMT -5
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Post by darkling1219 on May 17, 2012 8:59:14 GMT -5
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Post by darkling1219 on May 17, 2012 10:51:28 GMT -5
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Post by umbrto on May 17, 2012 11:23:03 GMT -5
Pitchfork was so good.
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Post by lasirius on May 17, 2012 11:53:17 GMT -5
Thank you for keeping us updating with all these reviews, darkling1219! I'm surprised Pitchfork were nice about it, really surprised.
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Post by luxavalanche on May 17, 2012 13:53:25 GMT -5
I shit you not, my friend texted me while I was at a show last night that P4K's review was up. I literally had to run to the bathroom so I could read it alone. I was surprised at the score, too. Maybe they sensed the darkling wrath awaiting. #dark
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Post by darkling1219 on May 17, 2012 13:58:36 GMT -5
I was expecting them to attack ASH for sure and then they were so complimentary .... I couldn't believe it. And I love that they gave props to the 1st two classic albums.
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Post by luxavalanche on May 17, 2012 14:28:40 GMT -5
Down to 62 on metacritic but RS and Spin have yet to be added. It will probably settle in the 67 range at the end of the day. The worst reviews are already in. The #s are deceiving, though. I'd say public reaction to this release has been exceptionally high. If you have reason to like this album, you will.
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Post by Tornado on May 17, 2012 14:54:00 GMT -5
Good? More like average. Also I hate their rating system. What's the difference between 6.4 and 6.5 and how on Earth they can measure exactly the quality of an album? Wankers! PS: Also I don't like how Pitchfork became some sort of scarecrow. Everyone is afraid of their rating. They are influential because people pay too much attention to their crap reviews.
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