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Post by Clay on Jul 14, 2009 17:26:04 GMT -5
I liked Return of Saturn......but I don't like Untouchable much, so I don't see the similarities.
Wasn't there supposed to be Missy Elliot remixes of Untouchable and Androgyny?
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Post by Modern Method. on Jul 14, 2009 17:36:09 GMT -5
Good aul Missy...I'm pretty sure there was!
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Post by acereject on Jul 14, 2009 17:37:36 GMT -5
I liked Return of Saturn......but I don't like Untouchable much, so I don't see the similarities. Wasn't there supposed to be Missy Elliot remixes of Untouchable and Androgyny? Yeh Butch told NME they were planned. From the marketing material I have from Interscope I think the plan was to release Androgyny, and then around 9/11 (yes that day) release the Neptunes mix of Androgyny to urban radio in time for the album. I have no idea why Interscope didnt pay the extra cash to get The Neptunes to sing on their remix, as back then everything they did was guaranteed a chart place. Oppurtunity missed. Then I think the plan for Interscope was, that had Androgyny been a success, follow it up with Untouchable with a Missy Elliot remix. Androgyny wasnt doing too well on Modern Rock, although it did well on Triple A, and I think they weren't too worried about it knowing the video was debuting on 9/10. Cut to three weeks later, the album is out and barely a single music channel has shown the video, and Interscope switch gears and release BUTG hoping it's traditional Garbage enough to rescue the album. You can tell that Interscope wanted Untouchable released and that Mushroom didnt, as not a single Mushroom affiliated press release mentions the song more than in passing, yet almost every Interscope interview and press release makes a big deal of Untouchable. They should just led in with Parade or Shut Your Mouth. I wonder what Butch thinks of the whole thing now.
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Post by Clay on Jul 14, 2009 19:22:13 GMT -5
Yea......I never understood the thinking behind the single release timeline for BG. IMO, a better way to promote the album would've been to release Shut Your Mouth as the first single. It was more in line with the first two albums and would've been accepted far more easily and quickly than Androgyny (don't get me wrong, I love the song, but it was a bad choice as the first single--it was so far away from the "norm" G had established up to that point). Follow it up with Parade then Cherry Lips, then Androgyny and finally BUTG.
I think if they had released the singles in that order, it would've led to higher album sales and wouldn't have wiped Garbage off the slate like they were by the time "promotion" for BG was finished. It would've also led to bigger anticipation for BLM, just as the self titled did for 2.0 and 2.0 did for BG. By the time BLM came out no one outside of the fanbase really cared, and I believe that's a direct result of the lack of proper promotion for BG.
I often wonder who made the decisions to release the BG singles in the order they did; the entire BG era for the band was one big wasted opportunity, because it's not a bad album--it was received well by critics and fans alike, for the most part.
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Post by acereject on Jul 14, 2009 20:40:55 GMT -5
It always seemed to me that the labels decided that they wanted to present Garbage as a super-slick stylish band and it really alienated the alternative fan base, and the double-whammy of that and 9/11 killed any momentum the album had. You have to remember back in 2001 all there was in alternative was Triple A/Adult orientated OR nu-metal. And pop was either rnb, hiphop, boyband or starlet style pop. I think had BG been released a year later or even just six months it probably would have been able to have riden the wave with Nelly Furtado, Pink and No Doubt as the "mongrel pop" scene, which exploded the following year.
It just got lost in the mass of releases at the time. What I find interesting is that BG was very very well received in all the minor markets around the world: Latin America, France, Eastern Europe, Russia, Australasia. But becuase the main markets USA and UK weren't interested that really meant shit.
I also remember a lot of fans who came to band through the BG album and got a lot of snobbiness from G and V2.0 era fans and they never came back for BLM.
There is (still) a few Garbage fans who will only accept a 90's version of the band, or songs with guitars, which is silly as it says you are a closed-mind individual so why get into Garbage, a band who from the beginning spurned all allegiance to "the way it's supposed to be". Those people certainly made me feel uncomfortable post BG, as someone who was a fan from 96, but only got online in mid-2002, saw the snobbiness a lot.
Third album curse.
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Post by Vixen on Jul 14, 2009 22:54:13 GMT -5
As with most fans, "beautifulgarbage" is my least favorite record, BUT lately I have been listening to it nonstop and realizing what a truly great album it is. There are some great gems in there. The songs individually aren't as great as the songs on the other albums, but just listening to the album straight through is great.
Also, the b-side "Soldier Through This" is like, my favorite G track at the moment.
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Post by Fated to Pretend on Jul 15, 2009 9:19:20 GMT -5
BeautifulGarbage was the first Garbage album I bought after I discovered them in late 2004 because I'd heard Cup Of Coffee/Drive You Home/Cherry Lips & was in love with them. The album totally wasn't what I expected but I fucking loved it at the time and played it non stop for weeks. I still think BG is amazing but that it doesn't flow as well as the other 3 albums. The high points are very high and the low points are very low. It's a dark pop album and I love that. I always thought Parade or Cherry Lips would've made a better first single. I can see Cherry Lips would've been way too different though but it's the most catchy song imo. The debut is actaully my least favourite G album (don't get me wrong I love it and it rates above pretty much every other band but for some reason I prefer the other 3 albums.) Version 2.0, Bleed Like Me, BeautifulGarbage, Garbage.
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Post by Mysteron on Jul 15, 2009 10:33:55 GMT -5
BG is an album i will always relate to in terms of its 'mess up', it came out at a time i wasn't particularly happy with my life (July 2001) which lasted until around early 2003. That's pretty much the time line of BG. It definitely kept me going though, and for that i will always love it. SYM, Androgyny, NLY are my favs.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on Jul 15, 2009 17:38:28 GMT -5
The problem with BG as many have said, is that it came out during the worst time. Remember, 9/11 made a huge impact on the music industry. Enya's album soared, as did U2's and the song that came out after 9/11 happened (What's Going On). No one at that point really cared for anything alternative or rock. Not to mention that fans didn't recognize Shirley with her hair lopped off. Many fans couldn't stand her blonde hair and how poppy the album was. They pretty much gave up on them. As someone said in this thread, 80% of the Garbage fans wanted a carbon-copy of Version 2.0. I mean, in one way it would have helped them yes, but BG to me was a really good album. There are A LOT of songs on there that could have been hits. Parade being one of them, even Untouchable if it was the Missy Elliot Mix. I think also at this time, Missy was grieving Aaliyah's death and was planning on a tribute album, and her own album. I don't think she had anytime to promote a band that was flushed down the drain from the 9/11 catastrophe and had no staying power from the release of Androgyny.
Fans got all excited that Bleed Like Me would bring back their Version 2.0 roots, and was unhappy they wanted more of a live sounding set then a loop induced heavy synth band. Admit it, we all want that, but honestly anything Shirley and the boys come out with is gold to me. No matter how many slow or 'noir' songs that come out. I will always be a fan, and never compare their CD's to my own standards of what Garbage or Shirley should come out with.
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Post by Vixen on Jul 15, 2009 19:00:30 GMT -5
anything Shirley and the boys come out with is gold to me. No matter how many slow or 'noir' songs that come out. I will always be a fan, and never compare their CD's to my own standards of what Garbage or Shirley should come out with. Completely and totally agree. There isn't really a G song out there that I dislike -- some I like less than others, but not one that I actually don't like. And it's good to not put standards on them -- take each release for what it is. Well put!
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Post by 90sxforever on Jul 23, 2009 22:53:30 GMT -5
I like BG.... bit too pop-y for my tastes but I do still like it...and I actually can't honestly say I like V2.0 better than BLM, like many fans do...I know, the old stuff is "true" Garbage back in their Golden Days blabla... (not bashing V2.0 either!) but I thought BLM was just as great - even though by 2005 public reception to good music had begun its tragic decline..not like that's their fault.. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) I would like to have an album of Butch's mixes. First ones that come to mind for me are the Nirvana ones and the mix of White People for Peace by Against Me! which I prefer to the original... I'm curious how many mixes he's done that haven't been released, or if it's just the Nirvana unreleased tracks. I use that term "closet case tech nerd" a lot now, I thought that was awesome. ;D
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Post by Vixen on Jul 24, 2009 11:25:12 GMT -5
I actually do like Bleed Like Me more than Version 2.0. It's a tie for my favorite with the debut. I love Version 2.0, but there's something both lyrically and musically about Bleed Like Me that really spoke to me. But you're right, the public reception to good music was already so far out that the album didn't get the attention it deserved. Popular music today is all about novelty... listening to a song for 2 months before scraping it and moving on. I have faith that things will come around...
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Post by MelancholyEcho on Jul 25, 2009 7:06:42 GMT -5
I actually do like Bleed Like Me more than Version 2.0. As with me; BLM is higher up on my Garbage album list then V2.0 (with a fantastic opening track, Bad Boyfriend, one of my favourite Garbage songs). I find it really hard to order such a list lately, as to be honest, I haven't had a good listen to their albums fully for a while. BLM is definitely up there, with BG down the bottom, not because it's a 'bad album', but it is less appealing to me and as mentioned above, has high highs and low lows (I really don't like BUTG). It's funny how other things going on in your life can impact the way you interpret the lyrics and music on an album, and how songs trigger memories.
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Post by acereject on Jul 25, 2009 7:14:49 GMT -5
It's funny how other things going on in your life can impact the way you interpret the lyrics and music on an album, and how songs trigger memories. I find that I'm so far removed from the period when the debut album was a significant part of my life, due to circumstance, and time in general, that it's my least faveourite. However that is no reflection on how I feel about any individual song, as I still love some of the songs as much as I did back in 96/97, and some like "Stupid Girl" I actually appreciate a lot more now in the last five years. Version 2.0 again, I'm 11 years moved on from it, so a lot of the lyrics dont resonate with me with much relevance as they once did, however it's an amzing album every track expertly crafted and cruelly underrated as a 90s classic. BLM i think as a body of work was dissapointing although I loved 9 of the 11 tracks. I also didn't identify with a lot of the lyrics as much as on the other three. BG has its faults but its personality, lyrics, pastiche hopping, changing gears and fractured flow appeals to me as a person (I also love Kylie's X album, which is similarly splits her fanbase down the middle and is all over the place musically). My order is from fave to least is therefore BG>V2.0>BLM>G but I think that as a body of work Version 2.0 is the best.
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