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Post by Madame Shimmy on Jul 18, 2006 20:00:23 GMT -5
Buddhism is a religion and a way of life just as Islam is a religion and a way of life set by codes in the Qu'ran. It is both. The religon defines the way you live. It sets social codes to abide by. Much different than Christianity & Catholisism(sp)?
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Post by ShyGirl on Jul 19, 2006 12:37:28 GMT -5
Christianity & catholicism definitely set social codes...
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Post by honeybee on Jul 24, 2006 14:15:33 GMT -5
Christianity & catholicism definitely set social codes... For the worst sometimes... I have a catholic background, but I disagree about most of Catholic doctrine. I was raised to believe in a higher Power, not in an institution
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Post by Jen on Jul 24, 2006 17:47:08 GMT -5
Christianity & catholicism definitely set social codes... For the worst sometimes... I have a catholic background, but I disagree about most of Catholic doctrine. I was raised to believe in a higher Power, not in an institution Honeybee - AMEN. I mean.. I enjoy christmas, dressing up, getting together with family, and hanukkah, passover.. but I don't follow doctrine. It's not for me. My dad does (Jewish, keeps kosher, etc), my mom is Catholic (somewhat practices), and they've always said that as long as you're a good person - who cares? I believe in God. My husband does. We don't do anything about it, though
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Post by honeybee on Jul 24, 2006 19:28:28 GMT -5
For the worst sometimes... I have a catholic background, but I disagree about most of Catholic doctrine. I was raised to believe in a higher Power, not in an institution Honeybee - AMEN. I mean.. I enjoy christmas, dressing up, getting together with family, and hanukkah, passover.. but I don't follow doctrine. It's not for me. My dad does (Jewish, keeps kosher, etc), my mom is Catholic (somewhat practices), and they've always said that as long as you're a good person - who cares? I believe in God. My husband does. We don't do anything about it, though Pretty interesting a Jewish person married to a catholic one. Not very usual here. I believe your parents had gone through, or not. I just can't find a word to express myself in English, but what my parents have being teaching us is to take the best from each religion/beliefs and turn it into our own beliefs. It a little bit similar of what your parents had taught you. Plus, a doctrine represents a "men's law", and as law made by men there are flaws, so, who they think they are to impose something to people??? Life is an act of free will, not suppose to be ruled by doctrines, etc...
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Post by Jen on Jul 25, 2006 23:00:37 GMT -5
Honeys - They really haven't gone through anything.. I mean.. it's never been an issue.. I've asked about it and all, and they say it's not a big dealy. My dad is a weird type of Jew. He doesn't go to Temple every week, but he does keep kosher (he was raised Orthodox and quit when he met my mom and ate ham for the first time lol, now he's hooked ha!), and he goes on the holidays. My mom's the same way - she went to parochial school, had communion and confirmations, etc, and now she doesn't go to church (when she feels like it to light a candle for someone sick or something, or just to go, but that's hardly ever), she still has catholic beliefs (otherwise she wouldn't label herself as such), but she also believed live and let live. Her beliefs (like she doesn't believe in abortion for herself, but she does for others, if they feel it's right for them) are very.. personal, I guess you can say. They're to set herself in a personal way, rather than preaching. You know what I mean? They're both like that. My dad's the same way. He doesn't believe that abortion is the greatest in the world, but he does support what others want to do, regardless of how he feels. For example - he's an OB/Gyn, (well retired now) and when he practiced, he performed abortions. He feels that it's a travesty that women's right to choose in now in jeopardy, and he feels that it's necessary. He'd rather do it himself safely, than have women go to other doctors who wouldn't do it as safe as it should be. When he practiced, he even owned a clinic for those who couldn't afford birth control, who couldn't afford hospital fees for deliveries, who couldn't afford to have an abortion, even at a Planned Parenthood. He did it for free. They're very conservative PERSONALLY, and very liberal POLITICALLY... I don't agree with everything they believe in for themselves, but that doesn't matter. Why should anyone care what people personally do? I admire them both more than anyone else, quite honestly (except for maybe Martin Luther King, George Harrison and my hubby <quote>Plus, a doctrine represents a "men's law", and as law made by men there are flaws, so, who they think they are to impose something to people??? Life is an act of free will, not suppose to be ruled by doctrines, etc...</quote> Exactly!
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Post by honeybee on Jul 26, 2006 20:17:03 GMT -5
I do the same as your mother, I light a candle at home. I remember the last time I went to Mass the Father said that "you can't talk to Jesus in your house, you have to talk to Him, here, in the church". I don't think it's a Catholic position, maybe it was just that Father's position... another thing that bothers me is some Fathers's speech about Politcs. I mean, if you go to Mass, you're looking for spiritual peace, and not to listen to their opinion about politics... affff... What a statement. You must be very proud of your dad's altruism. Tell him he's got a new fan
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Post by Jen on Jul 27, 2006 10:45:44 GMT -5
I think it's just the way that Father believes... I've been to the church near my house, and he said you don't have to come every week, and "as long as you believe that Jesus is the way, you go to Heaven." I even asked him: "How about gays?" "If they believe in Jesus, they go to Heaven." "Even if they 'continue' to be gay?" "Yes. That's what Jesus did. He died so we could all go to Heaven. He took all our sins away." AND that priest is hot : ) VERY PROUD. I will Thanks
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Post by Jen on Jul 27, 2006 10:46:36 GMT -5
"Government" is cancer. We should all live in communes. I"m telling you, it'll solve a shit load of problems.
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Post by honeybee on Jul 27, 2006 21:14:39 GMT -5
thumbs up for the father you had talk to... hhahahaha... is he hot? so, is that the reason why you'd talked to him? hahahaha...
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Post by honeybee on Jul 27, 2006 21:18:45 GMT -5
"Government" is cancer. We should all live in communes. I"m telling you, it'll solve a shit load of problems. I don't know... I think we <mankind> need rules, social rules. And government is one of the ways the State can express itself. Without it would be just a no man's land.
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Post by Jen on Jul 28, 2006 16:22:08 GMT -5
Every hear of tribes? We only have... a few rules. (I'm Munsee). You kill - you're out of the tribe. You fend for yourself, alone. Stealing - well we don't really have anything that we don't share, so there's really nothing to steal. Unless you steal like.. dirt.. but that belongs to everyone anyway, haha. You have to participate/help out ... everyone helps with each others' children, help with food, etc. Of course, if you're handicapped, you're relieved of some duties, but then of course, just because you're handicapped doesn't mean you can't do ANYTHING, you know? Etc etc etc.
So.. no, it wouldn't be just a no-man's land. We govern ourselves. We have elders (not because of age, there could be a 100 year old guy who's an elder and then like, a 40 year old woman..) who you can talk to. We all vote on the rules. Someone can say, "oh this happened, this is what I think we should do with it.." and then we ALL discuss it, vote on it. So it's not like the cancerous government numerous countries have now.
Does that make sense? I don't even know the last time we even HAD a murder... (my particular tribe, not the tribe in general, i.e. I don't know Munsees in like.. New Hampshire ..)... I'm 25.. and my father (not my dad.. my father died when I was 4) is Munsee... but my mom isn't.. and she's 56. She said that as long as SHE'S been /as far as she remembers..there hasn't been (hardly) any "illegal" activities...
I'm tellin' you, it'll solve a lot of shit.
"America" is the land of the free, no? Well for us inside the tribe, we are far more free than the "Americans" are. FAR more free. You have so many rules and regulations and yet you call yourself free.... it's hilarious!
Our justice system is even better... it's KIND of the same, but without the loopholes and lawyers (THANK GOD LOL). No jail, no nothing. You just leave. That's it. You're kicked out. (Well depends on the crime.. I mean.. there's no much you CAN do that's considered "bad"... apart from murdering... but no one murders, there's no reason to.. I mean.. how could you want to..? even if you WANTED to, you have to face the consequence of being completely alone, fending for yourself.) But of course that's deliberate murder.
Anyway. Government is a way the State expresses itself? How?
"Hey! We're idiotic criminals who don't REALLY give a shit about you!"
How WONDERFUL!
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Post by Fuck Off Green [HollywooD!] on Jul 29, 2006 12:18:26 GMT -5
Let me see. Death Penalty: BEST FUCKING THING.. ever. I love it. Better yet, I ADORE IT. I may just be an angry person, but I think if you're going to hurt people.. whether it be women, men, kids, or animals damnit, then you're going to feel someones wrath... if that means through a needle, or some 7 foot tall dude in jail, they have it coming. Religion: I fucking hate it. Gay marriages: Looks who you're fucking talking to. HELLO? War: I hate this fucking country, and our president, and I say, if you're going to fight like little boys, then go ahead and blow yourself up.. or better yet Iraq... come get bush and torture and have your way with him. Abortion: I'm not for it, but there's no way a human being with a dick is going to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. Politics and religion, combined or sperate, are IMO, a waste of time and life. There is no point. Live your OWN life and start thinking for yourself. And go watch White Oleadner and learn from what Ingrid has to say about it all. Your religion answer: All of them, some of them, are one in particular? Ever hear of (true) gnosticism? I don't see how anyone could hate gnosticism... "seeker of truth" unless you hate "truth"? And don't get me started with the Buddha... what a lying son a bitch, right??? Yeah.. what a fucking murderer! He was just so HORRIBLE! I'm pretty sure she means the idea of religion.. not just one or anything. I don't really like religion. I'm agnostic. I think you have three choices, you believe, you don't, or you're not sure. And look at all of the wars... Religion and money are the main causes. I wish everyone could just ughhh.. Get over themselves.
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Post by honeybee on Jul 29, 2006 22:40:03 GMT -5
Every hear of tribes? We only have... a few rules. (I'm Munsee). You kill - you're out of the tribe. You fend for yourself, alone. Stealing - well we don't really have anything that we don't share, so there's really nothing to steal. Unless you steal like.. dirt.. but that belongs to everyone anyway, haha. You have to participate/help out ... everyone helps with each others' children, help with food, etc. Of course, if you're handicapped, you're relieved of some duties, but then of course, just because you're handicapped doesn't mean you can't do ANYTHING, you know? Etc etc etc. So.. no, it wouldn't be just a no-man's land. We govern ourselves. We have elders (not because of age, there could be a 100 year old guy who's an elder and then like, a 40 year old woman..) who you can talk to. We all vote on the rules. Someone can say, "oh this happened, this is what I think we should do with it.." and then we ALL discuss it, vote on it. So it's not like the cancerous government numerous countries have now. Does that make sense? I don't even know the last time we even HAD a murder... (my particular tribe, not the tribe in general, i.e. I don't know Munsees in like.. New Hampshire ..)... I'm 25.. and my father (not my dad.. my father died when I was 4) is Munsee... but my mom isn't.. and she's 56. She said that as long as SHE'S been /as far as she remembers..there hasn't been (hardly) any "illegal" activities... I'm tellin' you, it'll solve a lot of shit. "America" is the land of the free, no? Well for us inside the tribe, we are far more free than the "Americans" are. FAR more free. You have so many rules and regulations and yet you call yourself free.... it's hilarious! Our justice system is even better... it's KIND of the same, but without the loopholes and lawyers (THANK GOD LOL). No jail, no nothing. You just leave. That's it. You're kicked out. (Well depends on the crime.. I mean.. there's no much you CAN do that's considered "bad"... apart from murdering... but no one murders, there's no reason to.. I mean.. how could you want to..? even if you WANTED to, you have to face the consequence of being completely alone, fending for yourself.) But of course that's deliberate murder. Anyway. Government is a way the State expresses itself? How? "Hey! We're idiotic criminals who don't REALLY give a shit about you!" How WONDERFUL! What's the problem with lawyers? ? I mean, everybody needs a lawyer... Maybe I had expressed myself in a wrong way. As you know State's function is devided among Executive, Judiciary and Legislative. And government represents the Executive. If there's any problem with government, people should choose Executive and Legislative members better. I didin't mean living in a tribe would be a no man's land, sorry. It was a very intersting statment you did about your community and your rules.
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Post by Jen on Aug 7, 2006 0:12:17 GMT -5
people should choose Executive and Legislative members better. so far, no good. After what - 78234872398472394 years of "civilized government" and yet.. NO ONE HAS LEARNED? ? Why can't anyone see that it's simply not working?
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Post by Jen on Aug 7, 2006 0:23:20 GMT -5
Your religion answer: All of them, some of them, are one in particular? Ever hear of (true) gnosticism? I don't see how anyone could hate gnosticism... "seeker of truth" unless you hate "truth"? And don't get me started with the Buddha... what a lying son a bitch, right??? Yeah.. what a fucking murderer! He was just so HORRIBLE! I'm pretty sure she means the idea of religion.. not just one or anything. I don't really like religion. I'm agnostic. I think you have three choices, you believe, you don't, or you're not sure. And look at all of the wars... Religion and money are the main causes. I wish everyone could just ughhh.. Get over themselves. I'm not a follower of any sort of religion, either. But don't you think that: a. people shouldn't judge until you know all the facts of every religion, not the most "popular" (christianity for one).... b. religion isn't what condemns people, people condemn. Religion is just an idea. Ideas don't hurt others. People take ideas and use it to hurt others. Big difference. c. there is such thing as a peaceful and accepting "religion"? AKA, Buddhism, Eckankar, Gnosticism, Vaishnavism, etc. d. People shouldn't generalize. Makes them look like idiots. .......... I don't see how I could ever possibly hate something when it's just an IDEA. An OPINION. That's all religion really is. Opinions are never right, and they are never wrong. They just ARE.
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Post by honeybee on Aug 7, 2006 15:08:41 GMT -5
people should choose Executive and Legislative members better. so far, no good. After what - 78234872398472394 years of "civilized government" and yet.. NO ONE HAS LEARNED? ? Why can't anyone see that it's simply not working? Agreed!!! We are going to have elections in the end of the year... the circus is about to begin...
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Post by Jen on Aug 9, 2006 18:46:59 GMT -5
And people will say "things will channngngggge" but how many times have people been saying this? And have things really changed? Nope.. the same shit over and over and over. The closest society has EVER GOTTEN to REALLY changing things, to really caring about each other and helping each other and living peacefully are the hippies and their communes! That's the CLOSEST it's ever gotten! It's really sad I used to vote, but now I'm just not going to. Some people might think that's bad, but I want to be as far from "American" (pssh yeah right) politics as possible. My people ("natives") aren't American. Well anyway. Thank God because I don't pay taxes I'm tax exempt whooo hoooooo (i still donate and help others blah blah blah, but I refuse to fill politicians' wallets). Boooooooo.
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Post by bdcold on Aug 10, 2006 10:38:13 GMT -5
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Post by Jen on Aug 10, 2006 17:32:45 GMT -5
No, I won't reconsider. I don't believe in voting for criminals. I never will again.
Your "culture" isn't mine. Your so-called "society" "civilization" and "country" were obtained in inhumane ways, and continue to run in inhumane ways. Until you stop killing yourselves and others, I will have no part in your barbarism.
Sorry, but I will never reconsider.
At least not until your politicians and your people reconsider your barbaric, inhumane, murderous and poisonous ways.
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