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Post by Volk on Oct 2, 2008 16:06:11 GMT -5
I will vote for you in 2012, Jenna.
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Post by rockstars on Oct 2, 2008 16:33:22 GMT -5
Seriously, Mike. I expected more from you than provocation. Grow the fuck up. Wow Rockstar, I would like to know what was so provoking about Mikes comment that warranted such a statement like "grow the fuck up". It was "go ahead my liberal friends and spin this all you want. I don't care." It comes off bitchy and whiny because some people don't see or agree with Mike's point of view. In any case, I'm over the lameness of it.
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Post by tetherednchained on Oct 2, 2008 19:33:22 GMT -5
Some people take things way to personal on the internets.
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Post by Volk on Oct 2, 2008 21:56:19 GMT -5
yeah, I don't think we need to stoop to any personal attacks here...just friendly debate about the politicians and the issues.
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Post by rockstars on Oct 3, 2008 9:47:11 GMT -5
Some people take things way to personal on the internets. They sure do, don't they?
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Post by tetherednchained on Oct 6, 2008 21:38:02 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/obama_legislative_grants Obama awarded Illinois grants to relative's group.SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - As a state senator, Democrat Barack Obama awarded $75,000 in government grants to a Chicago social service organization led by a rabbi who is also his wife's cousin, records show. In 1999, Obama arranged for $50,000 for adult literacy and counseling services offered on Chicago's South Side by a group called Blue Gargoyle. A $25,000 grant for the group's youth services followed the next year. The group's executive director when the grants were awarded was Capers Funnye, a South Side rabbi and Michelle Obama's first cousin once removed. Funnye (pronounced fun-NAY) said Monday there was nothing improper about the way Blue Gargoyle obtained the grants. Obama did not encourage him to apply for the money, he said, and Funnye denied using family connections to pressure Obama to approve the application. Obama's presidential campaign said the grants supported valuable services. "State Sen. Obama joined other legislators in securing funding for a well-established social services agency in his district that provided job training, employment counseling, and alternative education programs to approximately 1,200 Chicago residents each year," campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said. Funnye noted that Blue Gargoyle got similar grants from another state legislator who had no family ties to the group. "There was nothing funny, nothing below board," Funnye said. "Everything was done according to whatever guidelines the state of Illinois had in place." But guidelines were practically nonexistent. At the time, Illinois legislators were handing out hundreds of millions of dollars in grants. The money was part of a deal that legislative leaders cut with the governor to approve a major public-works program. Each legislator could award money to favored groups and projects with basically no oversight. The grants were known as "member initiatives" and were similar to the congressional "earmarks" often criticized in Obama's presidential campaign against Republican John McCain.Obama awarded about $6 million for everything from literacy programs and park improvements to drill team uniforms and jazz appreciation events. Founded in 1968, Blue Gargoyle provides job training and placement, tutoring, counseling and an alternative high school for dropouts. It's name refers to gargoyles on buildings at the University of Chicago, where the founders started their charitable work, Funnye said. Funnye said he was executive director from late 1997 until summer 2002. Obama would have been familiar with the organization's work even before his wife's cousin took over, he added. Edit: For the record, I don't have a problem with money being spent on literacy programs and park improvements or drill team uniforms and jazz appreciation events.
I find the problem in criticizing McCain for doing the same thing.
This proves they both play politics and one isn't much better than the other.
Damned if we do and damned if we don't is what this tells me.
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Post by tetherednchained on Oct 6, 2008 21:41:42 GMT -5
yeah, I don't think we need to stoop to any personal attacks here...just friendly debate about the politicians and the issues. Some people take things way to personal on the internets. They sure do, don't they? Yes some do. I attacked no one specifically. I never stated Rockstars by name or anyone by name. You can see that I was very general in my statement. I wouldn't mind being called a conservative if you called me that. I thought being liberal was something to be proud of. I guess not. I cant help that you are ashamed. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe cherrybomb, Volk or any other liberal here is ashamed of that title. Thats why I use it. Not because I feel its offensive or that I am cutting you down. I really thought that liberals were proud to be so. Damn, you really need to relax man. ;D
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Post by sometimes the voices argue on Oct 6, 2008 22:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by tetherednchained on Oct 6, 2008 22:31:14 GMT -5
Going by that 2004 map Obama cant win. For some reason I just don't believe that 2004 map is true today in 2008. I really believe that Obama will win this election fair and square. There will be no loose chads or any other reason. He will win weather I like it or not, by a lot.
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Post by tetherednchained on Oct 6, 2008 22:36:43 GMT -5
To set the record straight.
I like Obama. I think he is a good man and cares for the middle class.
Will the US be better with him as prez? I cant pretend to know.
I don't think so.
Time will tell.
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Post by tetherednchained on Oct 6, 2008 23:13:34 GMT -5
Wow, can I just say I am utterly disappointed that anyone is supporting McCain and Palin? Seriously, just disappointing. McCain will die because he's so old in office if he wins, and we'll be stuck with Sarah Palin as president. How the fuck do you know that McCain will die? You are psycho! lol Oh. Fuck. No. Bitch thinks that her being the governor of Alaska gives her knowledge of international policy because she can see Russia. And she makes comments about how we have to keep an eye on Russia as a matter of national security just in case "Putin rears his head". What a bunch of fucking morons. If you support McCain and Palin and vote for them, I hope you can be happy with yourself when this country goes even FURTHER down the shitter. After all, John McCain was quoted as saying that he's "running for George Bush's third term." Ugh. You are so fucked up! How in the hell can you even make these charges? How many Senators have been president in our history? How many Governors have been president in our history? More Governors have been president Look it up because you really have no clue! Allow me: Senators who have become president?Monroe John Quincy Adams Jackson Van Buren William Harrison Tyler Pierce Buchanan Andrew Johnson Benjamin Harrison Harding Truman Kennedy Lyndon Johnson Nixon What governors became president?Thomas Jefferson, Governor of Virginia, 1779-81 James Monroe, Governor of Virginia, 1799-1802 Andrew Jackson, Governor of the Florida Territory, 1821 Martin Van Buren, Governor of New York, 1829 William Henry Harrison, Territorial Governor of Indiana, 1801-13 John Tyler, Governor of Virginia, 1825-26 James Knox Polk, Governor of Tennessee, 1839-41 Andrew Johnson, Governor of Tennessee, 1853-57, Military Governor of Tennessee, 1862-65 Rutherford Birchard Hayes, Governor of Ohio, 1868-72, Governor of Ohio, 1876-77 Grover Cleveland, Governor of New York, 1883-85 William McKinley, Governor of Ohio, 1892-96 Theodore Roosevelt, Governor of New York, 1898-1900 William Howard Taft, Governor of the Philippines, 1901-04 Woodrow Wilson, Governor of New Jersey, 1911-13 Calvin Coolidge, Governor of Massachusetts, 1919-20 Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Governor of New York, 1929-33 James Earl Carter, Jr., Governor of Georgia, 1971-75 Ronald Wilson Reagan, Governor of California, 1967-75 William Jefferson Clinton, Governor of Arkansas, 1978-80, 1982-92 George Walker Bush, Governor of Texas, 1995-2000 Also, the size of the place you Govern has no barring of how well you will do in office. I believe that Clinton, Governor of Arkansas (2,810,872) had less people to govern than Carter, Governor of Georgia (9,363,941) Thats the Population in 2006. Not sure about 71 - 75. (If I am wrong then provide facts please.) Who was the better President?
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Post by Volk on Oct 7, 2008 9:36:35 GMT -5
I don't think Rockstars said Palin isn't qualified to be president because she was a governor. The issue is, Palin said she has foreign policy experience BECAUSE her state is so close to Russia.
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Post by ♥Ms J®♥ on Oct 7, 2008 15:25:54 GMT -5
I don't think Rockstars said Palin isn't qualified to be president because she was a governor. The issue is, Palin said she has foreign policy experience BECAUSE her state is so close to Russia. Katie "on foreign policy, I want to give you one more chance to explain your claim that you have foreign policy experience based on Alaska's proximity to Russia, what did you mean by that?" Sarah "Well Alaska and Russia have just this narrow maritime boarder, you've got Alaska right here then here's water and over there is Russia, so we keep an eye on them." Katie "And how do you do that exactly" Sarah "well when Alaskan's wake up in the morning one of the first things they do is look outside and see if there are any Russians hanging around. If there are you got to go up to them and ask 'what are you doing here' and if they can give you an excuse or not then it's our responsibility to say 'shoo, get back over there'" ;Dlol
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Post by pdn on Oct 7, 2008 15:26:30 GMT -5
Palin isn't qualified because she can't even answer a simple question like, "What newspapers do you read?" without freaking out and whining about being annoyed.
It's a really easy question.
Being a governor has nothing do to with it. The governor of my state is a complete dolt. Lincoln had no executive experience.
The question is judgment. When given the chance to pick a running mate, McCain chose Palin... who has done little but embarrass the McCain campaign and provide fodder for late-night jokes.
When Palin was asked to specify how the McCain/Palin's policies would differ from Bush's policies, she ran away from the question!
Then she told the American people that Cheney didn't go far enough in expanding the powers of the Executive branch!
She's got Cheney's ambition with Bush's competence.
She's a nightmare, her current title of Governor has no bearing on her competence.
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Post by ♥Ms J®♥ on Oct 7, 2008 16:25:56 GMT -5
Palin isn't qualified because she can't even answer a simple question like, "What newspapers do you read?" without freaking out and whining about being annoyed. But she said she reads them all I bet people in politics fucking hate sound bites lol
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Post by rockstars on Oct 7, 2008 19:55:44 GMT -5
I don't think Rockstars said Palin isn't qualified to be president because she was a governor. The issue is, Palin said she has foreign policy experience BECAUSE her state is so close to Russia. Thank you, Volk, for clearing that up in my absence.
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Post by tetherednchained on Oct 8, 2008 22:42:56 GMT -5
ACORNnews.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration By BILL DRAPER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 52 minutes agoKANSAS CITY, Mo. - Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states. Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote. "I don't even know the entire scope of it because registrations are coming in so heavy," Davis said. "We have identified about 100 duplicates, and probably 280 addresses that don't exist, people who have driver's license numbers that won't verify or Social Security numbers that won't verify. Some have no address at all." The nonpartisan group works to recruit low-income voters, who tend to lean Democratic. Most polls show Republican presidential candidate John McCain with an edge in bellwether Missouri, but Democrat Barack Obama continues to put up a strong fight. Jess Ordower, Midwest director of ACORN, said his group hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since late August. He said he was told three weeks ago by election officials that there were only about 135 questionable cards — 85 of them duplicates. "They keep telling different people different things," he said. "They gave us a list of 130, then told someone else it was 1,000." FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said the agency has been in contact with elections officials about potential voter fraud and plans to investigate. "It's a matter we take very seriously," Patton said. "It is against the law to register someone to vote who does not fall within the parameters to vote, or to put someone on there falsely." On Tuesday, authorities in Nevada seized records from ACORN after finding fraudulent registration forms that included the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys. In April, eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures. Ordower said Wednesday that ACORN registered about 53,500 people in Missouri this year. He believes his group is being targeted because some politicians don't want that many low-income people having a voice. "It's par for the course," he said. "When you're doing more registrations than anyone else in the country, some don't want low-income people being empowered to vote. There are pretty targeted attacks on us, but we're proud to be out there doing the patriotic thing getting people registered to vote." Republicans are among ACORN's loudest critics. At a campaign stop in Bethlehem, Pa., supporters of John McCain interrupted his remarks Wednesday by shouting, "No more ACORN." Debbie Mesloh, spokeswoman for the Obama campaign in Missouri, said in an e-mailed statement that the campaign supported any investigation of possible fraud. According to its national Web site, the group has registered 1.3 million people nationwide for the Nov. 4 election. It also has encountered complaints of fraud stemming from registration efforts in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and battleground states like Michigan, Ohio and North Carolina, where new voter registrations have favored Democrats nearly 4 to 1 since the beginning of this year. Missouri offers 11 electoral votes; the presidential candidates need at least 270 to win the election.
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Post by Volk on Oct 9, 2008 16:15:59 GMT -5
The G.O.P. is going to accuse someone of voter fraud? Really? REALLY??
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Post by Madame Shimmy on Oct 14, 2008 15:51:11 GMT -5
Were any of you aware that in 1992 John McCain called his wife a cunt in public? She had commented on his thinning hair and he replied, “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.” THis was over heard by several reporters.
Now is that what we want coming from a possible president of the United States. Is that how we want our Commander in Chief to treat his wife. Is this a positive role model for our children?
That shit doesn't fly with me. If I had any intentions of voting Republican, that was the killer.
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Post by Volk on Oct 14, 2008 16:18:27 GMT -5
Were any of you aware that in 1992 John McCain called his wife a cunt in public? She had commented on his thinning hair and he replied, “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.” THis was over heard by several reporters. Now is that what we want coming from a possible president of the United States. Is that how we want our Commander in Chief to treat his wife. Is this a positive role model for our children? That shit doesn't fly with me. If I had any intentions of voting Republican, that was the killer. yeah, I remember reading about that a few months back. It's funny that it wasn't mentioned much in the MSM, and yet, people gave Obama a bunch of shit because he called a female reporter "honey".
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