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Post by Tornado on May 27, 2012 17:16:44 GMT -5
For God sake, every new album is compressed (more or less). Give me one example of an uncompressed (at all) album.
I'm not the only one. People are sick of your Loudness War. Insist more and you'll be banned. I think you are payed by an Emily Lazar hater. Or you're the hater.
Valid reason? Original research. You're not a damn expert.
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Post by garbagemty on May 27, 2012 17:18:35 GMT -5
You clearly didn't even read the other references provided. ;D yeah, your references are your own posts in Youtube and Amazon, even Shirley Manson hates your trollism.
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Post by Tornado on May 27, 2012 17:20:29 GMT -5
You clearly didn't even read the other references provided. ;D yeah, your references are your own posts in Youtube and Amazon, even Shirley Manson hates your trollism. Yeah, this dude doesn't know what a reliable source means... He's the source. ;D
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Post by homeostasis on May 27, 2012 17:22:01 GMT -5
Yep. You people clearly didn't even read the references. There's nothing from Youtube or Amazon on there.
I can mention about 5,000 different modern albums released on independent record labels that suffer from no compression whatsoever. Nina Nastasia's Outlaster, for one. That's why this is notable. It's perhaps the most badly compressed album ever released on an independent record label.
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Post by garbagemty on May 27, 2012 17:27:49 GMT -5
It's perhaps the most badly compressed album ever released on an independent record label. yeah, perphaps, maybe, your opinion.
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Post by garbagemty on May 27, 2012 17:28:34 GMT -5
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Post by reptar on May 27, 2012 20:39:59 GMT -5
I don't know where this thread has gone, and I apologize for not reading the whole thread, but I'll add my subjective two cents.
When I first heard the leaked audio, I was kind of disappointed. But being somewhat of a low-level audiophile (things matter significantly to me - good headphones, lossless file, etc., but I'm not crazy with gear or normally picky of mastering), I figured that somewhere along the leak, the files were weirdly compressed or maybe 320kbs isn't enough for me. However, when I was finally able to listen directly from the CD, the same problems persisted: I felt that the peaks were distorted and the very fine electronic sounds were blunted. Those thoughts persisted (and currently persist) through the whole album.
It's kind of a bummer.
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Post by Lick The Pavement on May 27, 2012 22:18:04 GMT -5
It's not too hard to notice something's going on nowadays. Everyone has access to the internet now. How many millions of people are aware that Garbage have a new album out? It sold 50,000 copies last week, compared with the 150,000 sold by BLM on Week 1. Have you ever considered the possibility that the bad mastering on BLM is what's keeping at least some of these people away now? Because that will sure be the case next time 'round for me. Garbage fans aren't of the same ilk as bloody Justin Bieber fans. We don't need the music forced down our throats to be aware of its existence. Regards. Bleed Like Me had a million dollar backing for promos, radio spins and adverts. Bleed Like Me also came out after Beautiful Garbage, which was reviewed as great by critics, but not by most fans (mostly Version 2.0 fans). When Bleed Like Me kicked in, and Why Do You Love Me leaks came out, fans were happy she was back to her red hair and back into the 'rock' aspect of Garbage. Thus, this created buzz, and a video with a good budget came out for it. First week sales were 75K, and steadily dropped. 75K sales in 2005 is about 25-30K sales in 2012. Music industry sales change. Not Your Kind Of People is all on them. They do the promos, they do the adverts, and yes, they pay for everything. They don't have a million dollar contract to do all these sorts of things. Using whatever money they had, they used on videos, promos, DJ spins, touring, CD press, etc. Clearly from a independent standpoint, they are doing marvelous on all the charts around the world. Don't forget in 2005 the music industry was different. Selling 300K a week was excellent, but certainly not hard to do, nowadays 300K is like selling 1M units a week. Clearly a huge difference. Not to mention they are up against other bands/artists who clearly have huge singles out (Adele, Carrie Underwood, Norah Jones, etc). I understand your standpoint, I'm not going down your throat on it. I'm just saying that I'm not going to not buy a CD just because a certain someone masters/produces it. Maybe I'm oblivious to it, but I hear everything just fine with my car stereo and headphones. Clearly though, 80% of Garbage fans will buy the CD regardless of said topic, the other 20% either won't buy it from not liking the songs or by, your standards, it's mastering. All said and done, whatever CD they make, whatever merchandise they make, I'm buying. If that makes me a fool, then I'm one happy fool.
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Post by badboyfriend on May 27, 2012 22:48:38 GMT -5
This is still going? Wow, let it go Homeostatis. You aren't gonna change anyones mind.
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Post by Hangin' With The Bichard on May 28, 2012 12:27:28 GMT -5
Well of course not. He's fighting a losing battle on a fan site.
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Post by garbagemty on May 28, 2012 14:41:37 GMT -5
Well of course not. He's fighting a losing battle on a fan site. he also lost the battle in wikipedia, he's not allowed to post about that anymore.
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Post by umbrto on May 28, 2012 16:09:10 GMT -5
Is this the same guy? Or he just sent his friends.
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Post by strikiller20 on May 28, 2012 17:19:31 GMT -5
Someone in the band is angry with his questions... he got a reply, i think was our Shirl I don't liked the the mastering in this album but i love the band so i bought the album today
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Post by Subhumanoid on May 28, 2012 18:45:03 GMT -5
Well, this has been a very educational thread for me...learned a lot about compression and current industry trends...though I have to say I am still quite pleased with the album, whether I am listening to it driving to work (where perhaps the compression actually helps) or at home on my not-to-shabby headphones, where it still sounds great to me. I'm sad to hear that some fans are so disappointed..perhaps in the future they can come out with a special edition re-mastered for the audiophile crowd.
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Post by garbagemty on May 28, 2012 18:47:15 GMT -5
Someone in the band is angry with his questions... he got a reply, i think was our Shirl I don't liked the the mastering in this album but i love the band so i bought the album today that's the point, everyone is free to buy it or not but trolling the band is sick I don't get what this man homeostasis try to achieve.
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Post by garbagemty on May 28, 2012 18:50:43 GMT -5
btw, FELT was intented to sound like that, I'm sick of that people looking for a "good" file version where they can hear Shirley good it's not bad mastering.
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Post by homeostasis on May 28, 2012 19:07:27 GMT -5
he also lost the battle in wikipedia, he's not allowed to post about that anymore. You're confusing me with yourself. "You have been blocked for 72 hours." You're one step away from being banned from ever editing any page on the site again. Good luck with that. And neither of the two guys who commented about it on Twitter so far are me or anyone I know or anyone I have contact with. I don't have a Twitter a/c, and I don't plan on having one any time soon. Same goes for Facebook. And I appreciate the posts from other people on this page of the topic. If anything, this is part of the solution, right here: a band's fans even being aware of the issue. Some of you may still find it all a bit tedious, because a lot of you can apparently listen to album without any problem. But, it's obvious to me that right now Garbage is heading down the same road as Metallica and Death Magnetic. Emily Lazar is dragging them down that road without the band even being aware of it, apparently. And when that happens... you'll all be feeling the same way I do now. Every one of us would be better off it never getting to that stage.
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Post by Tornado on May 29, 2012 3:59:15 GMT -5
btw, FELT was intented to sound like that, I'm sick of that people looking for a "good" file version where they can hear Shirley good it's not bad mastering. Exactly! Felt was inspired by the indie rock band... Felt.
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Post by pdn on May 29, 2012 18:36:10 GMT -5
btw, FELT was intented to sound like that, I'm sick of that people looking for a "good" file version where they can hear Shirley good it's not bad mastering. Just a personal observation, garbagemty, but I'm not sure that's the argument being made here. 'Felt' is recorded in a particular style. Shoegaze deliberately buries the vocals inside of the instrumentation. I think everyone here understands and appreciates that. Those complaining about not being able to hear Shirley's voice in 'Felt' don't understand the vibe the band was going for in that song. You are correct, that is entirely intentional. The criticism over the mastering has more to do with compression and the dynamics of the songs. The compression is pretty evident, at least to me and a few other people. When you look at the waveforms of the songs, it becomes a fact, rather than an opinion. I guess I wish people could see this for the constructive criticism it is, rather than an attack on their favorite band.
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Post by aztalanturf on May 29, 2012 19:49:35 GMT -5
Thing is, SPAMing the band's social media isn't a good way to accomplish anything. The band (probably Shirley) has responded to a couple of people complaining about the mastering on Twitter something along the lines of "good for you, your ears are better than Butch Vig's". So it would seem that they're not really interested in opinions about the mastering at this time.
homeostasis, I do understand the argument against compression and I'm not a big fan of the "loudness war" in general. However, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish. And I am not being snarky...I am simply asking respectfully. What would you like to see come of this? Garbage to use another mastering studio for their next release? Garbage to release a high dynamic range version of their next release?
It seems like there may be a more productive or more respectful way to accomplish something rather than trashing the mastering all over the Internet. The band have shown that they're not very responsive to that format of critique in this particular case and most of the general public are going to see your critique as trashing the band. The fact that Garbage have chosen Emily Lazar for the mastering does very closely associate her work with the band and the album.
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